a very warm welcome back it's hard past the hour here in moscow the rubble of the bar runs by coalition airstrikes is held up by khalil the donkeys have town but there's concern in the capital that the on positions marched west where neither side willing to battle plan fears of an impending plugged all of the grips of chicken and. broccoli promise is the u.s. will not be taking our cards off approach in libya even when nato takes come all the good mrs america incident shoulders as you call them into the battles but

russia says taking sides in libya's civil war is not limited by the u.n. resolution. supporting victims of last year's twin suicide blast which shop a nation without its results in the fight against terrorism. counts terrorism is the topic of today's edition of our interview talk show sport live with our good laugh his guest in the studio today is the former head of israel's security agency . well. bringing you the latest in science technology from around the world. we've got the future covered.

how we're going to walk on truth squad life the interview show on r.t. i'll bring our vent today the guest in the studio here is barry. the recent terrorist attack on russia's biggest tap on the agenda once again brought the problem of suicide bombers into the spotlight at thirty's are turning to metal detectors and other high tech devices they believe it will help filter out the terrorists but many say we'd rather we introduce fieldwork and agent that is itself what is the right way to guarantee public security here's an expert view from the israel security agency former director. perry. the israel security agency the counter part of the f.b.i. the internal safety issues with years of its existence it has most of the steel so

well that no suicide bombings have taken place recently news rail yard of perry head of the service for almost a decade including a difficult period of the first intifada major conflict and palestinians and israelis today crews are rushing to share his valuable experience on counter tackle the terrorism from. mr perry and welcome to the show thank you very much thank you for being with us well israel. has been facing the problem of terrorist attacks of suit our side bombers for quite a while now and many experienced specially experts in russia other parts of the world say there's no way there's no way to tackle to fight eliminate this threat to find this problem is it true and how how how is your country battling this when it's not true that you cannot eliminate totally

i mean terror will not bench but because there will always be individuals that will be. satisfied come from angle from revenge from political inspiration etc well you know i was sorry but i once said that the terror is is the other side of democracy it's it's it's the little way for for a minority it's the last chance for them to to say something against the majority when it's the last chance used by my not to explain or if but it's not the last because you can see what's going on in our region of you can bring a demonstration and change the regime i don't know for the better or for the will let's leave it alone well i had succeeded to minimize terror by combining by making a package of a very very accurate and folks intelligence. by using very well trained

men power and by using technical technical technological means like param of the security and a very sophisticated legal system you have to combine the package of intelligence apparatus which are collecting by sigint and by human i mean by technical means and by human agents sources you have to go into the roots of terror you have to find what is the source and when you understand it you can tackle it you can fight it better you can minimise it i can give you one example for the last three or four years we are in a very israelis a very good cooperation with the palestinian authority band we have almost zero acts of terror well almost zero it is true because as far as i understand there hasn't been a single suicide attack in israel for more than three years almost three years now

is it because this is because the efficiency of these methods just been talking about what is just luck well there is always a bit of luck i must admit but there are three or four reasons and i'll make it very shortly first of all the fish and sea of the apparatus secondly the fact that we have closed the gaza strip through the main suicide bauble moments came from the radical islam from the gaza strip now the must can shoot rockets on israel but they hardly can send suicide bogles so it's a combination of a very good intelligence pre qualification of of the parameters of the three a day closer to closure of the gaza strip and the fact that israel has shown that they will kill me nation. and. using good technical means

by good men can minimize came googie a good towards but while the security measures get tougher and tougher terrorists seem to be able to think accolade of those who are fighting them struck like you know me that has a more. almost three thousand people who still lives in the proof we can i know have an attacks in new york or washington a tragedy clearly spelt out but no place you know is safe enough when it comes to the terrorist threat russia was among the countries where nine eleven at the most loudly at peak of terror came in two thousand and four when several disasters fold in a row on the twenty fifth of movers two passenger jets exploded in koresh within minutes of each other in different parts of russia no one survived the twin were clean for

reminders of nine eleven then just a few days later. killed ten people and left more than eighty injured but the nation was given no time to grieve over those victims but fully and they the discipline might miss started this time terrorists targeted the most vulnerable children almost two hundred of them died in what was called by the media who would stare wrist attacks since september eleventh as to that the russian security forces have been on their highest alert top security measures were introduced in airports ingenue in new public places and after two thousand and four the number of terrorist attacks in russia is at least half every year but statistics give little consolation those people still lose their lives like this year and most those domodedovo airport on last year in the moscow metro and every time a new tragedy happens tougher security measures are introduced but they were.

resulting is only truth which the terrorists break after they've devised a new atrocity. well i know you will say that the israeli security and special agencies are ready to share their know how their experience but are they ready to share their secrets all this secrecy head head that you are not ready to share with anybody including russia as the answer is positive i would say that we are ready to shell secrets but definitely not all of them are let's be true and frank but cooperation between countries and cooperation between russia and israel and israel has railed the hard way how to tackle terrorism he's possible and we are ready to support we are ready to advise we are ready to send technological means and israel is really a leading expert country in the area but let's be frank not

one hundred percent of the secret it may reach ninety five percent which is a lot which is a lot that. is a true that many and maybe even most of the suicide bombs the human bombs are triggered by remote control by the accomplices how they harder to prevent their these kind of suicide bombers from a technological point yes but from an intelligence you know most of the year suicide bombers the. prevented by the israeli intelligence because of a very accurate intelligence and we could stop them before the suicide bottles and other equipment that they want to it there is a year to section the suicide bombers coming from port from poverty from los social level it's not true. the majority are coming from i hope

they think they came change they came make the point ideology ideology ology which brings me to another comment that any intelligence operatives in any government any leader should go very deeply into the sources of terrorism to the roots of service and only when you understand him you will cain you can fight them better is it true speaking about ideology that underground ideology alternative ideology is always stronger and it was always will work better than the official ideology be it the religion be the official their fishel ideology of a country of a state when it differs it differs because we are living in you know in very different mentalities the radical islam which promises

a suicide bomb or filthy you thinks virgins in heaven all this kind of stuff. is one and quality and this brotherhood thing. islam in the radical islam in egypt is something else but it's true that going in to the roots deeper understanding them and then trying to give a political answer the answer to terrorism is not only technological means not only men powell trend brain power and not only intelligence this is the essential can be ration but the answer is the political and so because most of the terrorists are coming from political aspirations political motivation revenge trying to change regions cetera and then the question after the acts of terrorism they usually the government and the russian government is no exception starts

equipping preserve the transport of the railway station subways the special equipment metal detectors all sort of high tech things they're very costly they spend millions of public money in there and the result is close to minimum is a just a concession to charity because they have to do something to show that they're doing something when you're asking and giving the answer but do you really but i agreed that after the terrorist attack there is a boom they all kinds of means and all kinds of tools which is a wise. to do the problem is the implementation how to avoid the routine how to use them efficiently and bet's it needs a very well trained mental a very good intelligence and of course a voiding group team and what happens is a bomb after it of terror you are putting technological means you are buying in

millions with paint etc and the one who has to operate it rightly i don't. for the sleep. oh he is not motivated enough holy is not trained in well he's motivated by the other side always effective which can happen so more public of ernest's avoiding routine is essential says perry the former director of the israel security agency spotlight was the back and. it's the secret incursion into the country. it's the invasion by means of. tradition the language. so that the thirsty compete cookie.

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welcome back to spotlight i'm out of in just a reminder that my guest today here in the studio is yaakov peri the former director of the israel security agency we talking about how to organize the the service how to organize the work to prevent terrorism to make our life safer because what the terrorists are doing as he said they are promising ideological things like thirty six very generals and have well exactly my idea of fun having thirty six versions of once anyway. not exactly. and the if i'd already been. i would look for me it would have been an incentive but ok. equipment so the equipment that they're using said today it has been after the after terrorist attack in the moscow airport after the president visited the

railway station and the like the state of security there they decided to introduce those metal detectors in all public transport or all the railway stations around the country i think forty thousand railway stations each will cost about five million can you imagine the sum of money they can spend in that is there i would ask you is there equipment that can detect all explosives probably no. ninety nine percent yes i really including plastic it could be plastic but the investment is huge so you have through prayer of priorities. you have to approve of those probably stations or tilted towards the pile more sensitive and so the less to do it is the whole it's a budgetary the then i don't think it's efficient enough

a terrorist expert is an expert in prioritizing sense it's sensitive places one place has to get this kind of equipment the other one less and maybe the other with a third one shouldn't be just guards because nobody would want to blow it out so you have to prioritize because terrorists have their priorities too exactly and they're asking they're searching for. a belly and you have to try to have sense said exactly and you have to analyze you have to invest in good allies of research in the intelligence apparatus and then when you are prioritizing you are minimizing their well but actually you should understand we were talking about people and of course for many people today if the president says we want security for some people it's more fun it's even better than thirty six

versions to get the funding when the well cost hundred forty and equip all over stations with metal detectors by these detectors problem i mean. that's how i would end up here ocracy works all around the world so still for it's very important that the president says because the lives of a leader as a leader has to be determined he has to say we are determined we are going to fight terrorism it helps it helps and to blame is one thing and to do with another thing the israelis really air power in the ben grio. for it is called example mary for its security so i have been there i didn't find anything special any special cues any special line well well maybe it's a bit slower than heathrow but nothing really special so what's what's the tricks

with all due respect this is really good all of the good modesty this is this is the secret i mean there are a issues that you can see and feel and issues the unseen but let me state one very important statement intelligence and security and technology is not helmick we are not talking about mathematics we are talking about human resources we are talking about technology we are white a safe port but if a suicide bomber wants to blow himself outside the airport even in this post or not they will he may succeed let's face it i want to share one of your secrets concerning bin green with or without viewers right now because when i came when i came to the sample and saw how it was organized and ask people where is it where is all the equipment they say as you said it's not the equipment but if

you wanted to blow up the airport they would have known about it before you arrived so. you were talking about intelligence talking or getting the impression from them of us and we are talking about slowly checking the cargo we are talking about safe aviation and we really made an airport which is an example an example not only inside the building the perimeter security the fences the chicken when you are going in through even with your car the impression of the young students ladies and boys that are asking you questions if you'll be. who help you pack it slows a little bit the process and sometimes people are complaining but it's better to complain and to be safe there not to complain and to be held this in the when they blew up demanded of airports yes we we saw this picture here on screen couple

minutes ago the government they blame the police the police that patrolled the terminal was it fair to blame who would you blame if something like that happened just before you are you going to patrol the patrol no i wouldn't blame anyone and i'll tell you way first of all there may be some guys should be responsible i mean this is the rational way nobody's responsible it just happened you know this is wrong that's what they're trying to tell you for sure those a responsible guy who could do better there is no doubt but i think we shouldn't go on blaming we should look on the present and the future how can we do it better with whom we can do better maybe them in power and he's doing it today is not trained enough is not motivated enough is not paid enough i don't know there are several reasons but to go only on blaming we

only encourage terrorism and not stocks or reason. putting new means putting in new mental. focusing intelligence bringing the legal system to be much more sophisticated to reassure and minimize terror. i also continue trying to trying to respond out secrecy around the right person you said that the underground this terrorist underground it's based on ideology and someone so it should be pretty hard for an agent to go undercover to infiltrate this this community. is the only money there's money open all the doors or else not as easy as no no no money helps well i would say there's always a. result money it's almost impossible but it's not only money you

have to find in the. potential agent. what is his motivation sometimes it's a personal motivation sometimes he wants to immigrate sometimes his wife has a medical problem that you can help sometimes that are motivation the power of march more important than money so a combination of money finding the motivation training the aging and the agent has to be grave enough an easier way to believe they prevent think terrorist action is for the benefit of the insights a combination of this all makes a good agent gives you a good intelligence you have to build a very very sophisticated line of code called complication with the agent unseen uncovered and israel has done miracles with recruiting

agents that brought us from plastic intelligence you mentioned a very important. good thing thing public awareness but russians unlike the swiss you know the swiss they're legendary they're not used to reporting on each other they're not used to spying on their neighbors they would say this this is not the right thing to do i mean this is bad so if we try right now to urge the russians to report and to watch their neighbors closely and report it well maybe they're terrorists we said this would make russians even more anti-semitic then you are not on the right way really because i am not asking for russian citizen to reportable it is no different cultural act but. if his neighbor is a member of a terrorist cell i would expect from him as a. citizen to report and i would recruit him his agent but i'm not

calling to report over to become a country of one who watches like we had seen in countries in they doubt eales not not long did not know look not long ago we are focusing on terrorist groups we are focusing on individuals that we know that they planned or they might claim an act of terror or an act of violence we are not going to spy on the whole population israel is not against nations israel is not against the slummy religion israel is not against iranian people israel wants to eliminate those individuals who are planning doing exit exam acts of terror so let's not do it. the swiss problem because even in three salons i am sure if there was a terrorist excel you could find this agent who could tell you penetrate to dissent

in order to prevent the acts of terror. and the last very sure question a personal question for me we have discussed this among in our community here in russia should surely help special special agency where every very much so i'll tell you how they say we should just report we shouldn't be engaged in ivy league to be neutral is very. very popular ari ever people are if you shouldn't be i thought think the journalist should to be agents but if a journalist knows or he has an information i think it is villian duty. to report to the right to tory thank you thank you very much i kind of fully agree with you but thanks for being with us and sharing your views and just a reminder that my years on the show was kerry the former director of the israel security agency at that same thought today spotlight will be back with more

firsthand comments on what's going on and else i brush up until then stay in order to take care thank you you thank .